The most expensive $5 TigerDirect will ever make.

Why I will never buy from TigerDirect ever again.. read on to find out why.

It amazes me that in today’s highly competitive computer retail environment that some companies still don’t don’t grasp the concept of the customer experience.  Today I went to my local TigerDirect store (Heartland Centre, Mississauga) to purchase some ram for a Toshiba Satellite laptop.   The purchase was simple I needed a single 1024 MB DDR PC 2700 sodimm ram chip, what transpired next was anything but simple.

Eleven o’clock in the morning I walk into TigerDirect and went straight for the parts counter. I waited patiently for almost 15 minutes while there sales person dealt with another customer. My turn with salesman comes and I asked for the 1 gig ram chip, off he goes to look for the ram chip, I wait. Then I waited some more, Did I mention I waited? After fifteen minutes of eyeballing the “Wall of Ram” he says they are sold out, and passes me off to another salesman (for some reason). This time asked the salesman for the same ram but this time in the 512 MB capacity as that would have to do. He looks for my request on the “Wall of Ram” and comes back with a re-packaged Kingston branded chip. The deal was the ram was a return aka “open box” but fully tested to work, and for that it was discounted by ten dollars. I asked if they would exchange the ram should I get it home and its defective, he said of course. I agreed to the purchase and saved ten dollars of the ram.

Ram in hand I arrive back at my office it is now noon.  I installed the new ram right away and boot up the computer, nothing happened.  Well something did happen the laptop hung on boot up.  I tested the ram in both ram slots in the laptop , still hung.  Slightly frustrated I return back to TigerDirect with the defective and ram and the Toshiba to get an exchange.  When I arrive their customer service desk sends me over to their technician.  I explained to him the problem and he goes off to his work bench behind the counter to test the chip on a some generic Gateway laptop.  I waited over 40 minutes as he tested the chip in several  other computers as well.  Finally the guy comes back to tell me that the ram works and my laptop was the problem.   I asked him to prove it and show me on his computer that the ram I bought worked and he refused.  Instead he basically told me tuff luck and that the TigerDirect policy is they don’t take back ram.  I made it clear this was unacceptable and that I was reassured when I bought the “open box” ram that I could return it if it didn’t work.  The technician then goes off to see the store manager.

Upon the return of the technician he tells me that the manager said they can do an exchange on the ram but there would be a restocking fee.   “A restocking fee?” I questioned, I couldn’t believe what i just heard.  I pointed out the item was already opened and that the purpose of the restocking fee is to cover reselling the item discounted as an “open box”.  Again I insisted this was unacceptable and that I wanted a direct exchange.  The technician said thats all he could do for me,  and that I would have to talk to the manager.  I said no problem let me talk to him.   I waited almost 35 minutes for the manager to come.  When he comes he repeated that TigerDirect does not take ram back and that basically their policy was in stone.  I said “Oh really?  If you guys don’t take ram back then why was I sold ram that was returned and repackaged?”  Clearly he was lying to me.  After arguing with the manager and drawing a lot of negative attention to my situation he finally agreed to the exchange but on the condition that TigerDirect install the ram and pay the five dollar installation fee.   I was shocked that after all I just went through they have the nerve to try and milk me for five dollars to remove three screws from the bottom of my laptop and slip in a ram module.  However I was so tired of arguing with them I agreed to the deal.  

I really hope TigerDirect enjoys that extra five dollars because it will be the most expensive five dollars they will ever make. Having spent over $15,000 in computer equipment with them over the past four years (since they acquired Miscoe Canada) they will never see another penny from me or my company and for that matter I am no longer referring any of my clients to them either.

A smart manager would have recognized my problem as an opportunity to strengthen their relationship with the customer, and gave me the benefit of the doubt considering they sold me “open box” ram and promptly exchanged the ram with no hassle. Following that a smart manager would have offered to have the ram installation fee waived so that I would have left happy and confident knowing that my next purchase from TigerDirect will be protected from defects and that TigerDirect stands behind all the products they sell. Instead they forever lost at least one lucrative customer. And remember to TigerDirect try not to spend my five dollars all at once.

- Ryan Favro

Comments
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# Posted By tony petruzzi | 1/25/07 9:04 AM
Ryan, thank-you for taking the time to talk when I called you earlier this afternoon , and for bringing this unfortunate set of circumstances to our attention. As mentioned , I did review the whole situation regarding your RAM Purchase with each and every person that you and Nick came into contact with.

There is no doubt in my mind that after talking with everyone Involved ,that a breakdown of communication between the techs and management was the main cause of a situation which should have never happened in the first place.


On behalf of all those involved , and certainly from myself ,I would like to extend our Sincere apologies .


I would also like to stress that this is an anomaly in how our store associates handle our everday dealings with our valued customers. We strive to give the best in customer service, and yet , given a certain set of circumstances, the ball obviously can be dropped with the result being a less than satisfying experience for the customer.


All our associates will have the opportunity to read your posting.

In addition , we will use it to make everyone here very aware of how important clear and accurate communication is between the customer and all levels of store personnel to ensure that the shopping experience at our store is indeed a satisfying one .

Ryan , please do not hesitate to contact me personally in the future if I can in anyway be of service .


Sincerely , Derrick Stricek
# Posted By A Response From TigerDirect.ca Heartland Centre | 1/26/07 9:29 PM
I sent this to TigerDirect, as I have used them as a vendor quite a bit, because I was curious as to their response.
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Message :
This guy has a very large readership in teh developer community. You
might want to jump on this and take care of the problem. Indeed, I
had considered visiting the Miami store...but not sure if I should now if
this is the treatment I will get. The power of the blog is mighty.

http://ryanfavro.newmediateam.com/blog/index.cfm/2...
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I actually received a response, here it is:
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Dear Valued Customer:
You are very correct. This is not what we would expect our customers to receive. I see that an associate has contact Mr. Favro to make amends on the situation. If I can be of any assitance, please feel free to use me as a point of contact with Tiger Direct.


Thank you for visiting our website. We at Tiger Direct appreciate your business. If you have further inquiries and reply to this email, please make sure to include your entire message, so we can address it appropriately.

Sincerely,
Matt
TigerDirect.com Web Response
# Posted By Will B. | 1/30/07 6:06 AM
I've used the online store here in Canada many times but NEVER again. Looooong story short I purchased a set of Logitech z 5450 speakers for the hollidays. I was under the impression that the rear wireless speakers would play music. They don't. They play only when in surround mode. ie from the TV. This is not what I purchased for and decided to return them. So far no issues.

Now it starts. I called well within my 30 return period. I was assured and email would come with my return number. It never came. I called back and they then informed me that my time limit was over. - No return. I explained that I was waiting on my RA number. Insted of service I was bounced to logitech help desk. — What could they do?

I called Tiger Direct again. They hung up on me. I called again (oh did I mention it's a1 hour wait each time) Finaly I asked for the manager to call me back. No call. I called agian and lied to get the managers number (Paul at X 8435) I left messages. At one point I was told Paul no longer worked there!

Finaly I reach Paul and he negotiates a return with a 15% deduction because the box was opened. He tells me that Logitech will not accept any product that has been opened! WHAT B.S.!

AVOID TIGER DIRECT! Their survice sucks! I log my hours and so far I have wasted 8 hours and 15 minutes just trying to reach a human who wants to charge me $45 plus shipping for my troubles.
# Posted By franclin | 1/30/07 12:46 PM
last thing i bought from tiger was a usb wireless adapter. i bought it and didn't use it for a few days but when i opened the package the usb plug had been snapped off, i went in with out a receipt to ask that it be exchanged and i was sent off with them asking me how they could possible know how i bought it there and that they have no reason to help me. meanwhile every one of the cash registers had these on the counters as impulse buys. which is why i even picked one up.

i mean, i understand where they are coming from but selling packaged garbage then asking for my phone number then telling me i need my receipt. what's that about?

if you take my info you should keep them so i don't have to keep receipts for $20 dollar junk like this.

if they just exchanged it that day i would have bought the 5 memory cards i needed there but luckily the Britannia store was a block from future shop and i know they wouldn't treat a customer like that.

i may not draw as much attention as ryan but i do spend a few thousand a year on my own equipment and 20-30 grand on the equipment my office needs and last year alone i bought over 10 flat panel screens and 5 desktops from the markham store alone not to mention the countless cases, power supply and other things i have to buy.
# Posted By martin gouda | 1/30/07 5:09 PM
I was about to buy a Samsung HDTV from TigerDirect, but decided to do a Google on the company and see if they've got any user feedback. Lo and behold, I found this article. After reading how they treat their customers, I'll shop elsewhere and tell others to do the same. This would have been a $1400 purchase. For $5.00, they've lost a lot of customers. Too bad.
# Posted By Alex C | 2/1/07 11:29 AM
Ryan: nice site!
My story can be seen at post #215 at tigerdirectsucks.org
May I hot link your site as I go on my quest to warn people.
.....................Dennis in Alaska..............
# Posted By Dennis in Alaska | 2/7/07 1:19 PM
In spite of the courteous apology from Derrick Stricek (on behalf of TigerDirect.ca Heartland Centre) assuring me that my experience was an anomaly, it appears that abysmal customer service is a systemic problem with Tigerdirect as a whole. Looking up Tigerdirect at www.resellerratings.com seems to confirm this.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Tiger_Direct
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/TigerDirect_c...

Perhaps this a case of the noisy minority I don't know. However company's that embrace their customers and nurture their relationships will be rewarded. The rest will eventually go out of business.
# Posted By Ryan Favro | 2/7/07 2:06 PM
Dennis you may "hot link" my site on your quest to warn people should you so desire.

Sorry to read about your rebate wows. Not honoring rebates seems to be a deep rooted problem with TG from what I have read. But with rebates its always buyer beware. When companies offer rebate incentives they are luring the consumer into making a purchase by showing a lower advertised price. The consumer sees the advertised rebated price and figures that’s a good deal dismissing the fact its not the real price at the time of purchase. Next after the consumer makes the purchase (pre - rebate price of course) they are told fill out a form and wait 8 months for the cheque to arrive. In some cases having to do to other activities such as sending a UPC code that must be cut from the box. All these little barriers add up to subtly discouraging the consumer to not send in the rebate or postpone the procedure because its time consuming and before the consumer knows it they either lost the rebate form or the rebate time frame as expired. The company offering the rebate is betting on the consumer to fall into such trap. Bottom line if the company offering the rebate really cared about their customer, they’d give them the rebate on their way out the door, after all their tills are full of cash, or better yet just reduce the price of the item and forget about the rebate.
# Posted By Ryan Favro | 2/7/07 2:24 PM
Yeah,

It always kills me that Best Buy and the like have these "incredible" deals like $100 off and then you read the fine print and it's like $5 "instant" rebate -- $95 mail in rebate. Pain in the butt!! Lower your price or give me my discount at the till. I won't be roped into any "rebate" or savings unless I get it when I pay -- I will not impulse buy at these stores.
# Posted By PeeJay | 2/26/07 2:54 PM
I read carefull all comments before I placed an order for a digital camera. So I am afraid to receive a used camera after of what I read. The price is half to Costco but if I have to go throught all that hassle I rather forget Tiger Direct in my future electronics purchases. Thank you to open our mind with your past experience with Tiger Direct. I will definitively stay away form themé. It is scary isn't.
# Posted By Jake | 5/17/07 3:47 PM
Sorry to hear about the lousy TD experience, but I'll jump in on the rebate piece (so this is pretty OT re: your main point).

I don't love "print out copy of receipt, cut off corner of box, make 7 photocopies and hand courier it to our service center in the North Pole" rebates either, but the math is pretty simple.

Lets say I have a product I can sell profitably at $100 but currently retails at $125, I can advertise and sell it for $100 or advertise it as $75 (with $50 mail in rebate) or even $25 with $100 mail in rebate. The driver of the top line number is the percentage of rebates that are redeemed, so if we buy mail in rebate products we're trading time and effort for money off which depending on the value of your time and effort either is or isn't a good choice.

I don't actually have a problem with mail in rebates as it allows people with less money to pay less. I know that I've taken advantage of some mail in rebates and thrown others into the trash (knowing I would do so pre-sale and factoring that into my purchase decision). The only real issue I have with mail in rebates is if a center "loses" rebates to keep the redemption rate down. That is (or should be) criminal. Just making it a PITA is a way for them to provide a better top line number and for individual customers to decide whether $25 or 2 hours of messing around is worth the most to them. Of course, if you're NOT planning on redeeming the rebate, you're probably better off buying something that doesn't offer a mail in rebate. If you do mail in the rebate you're taking advantage of the bad decisions others make to get yourself a lower price than the company would otherwise provide. If that's worth your time and energy, it can be a good deal depending on your circumstances.
# Posted By Peter Bell | 7/22/07 9:51 PM
i have bougbht around 90+ times off TD and i never go for the rebate. i always look for the real price frist then compair and i know why cause they like to rope you in with them 100 50 or 10 $ discounts and i know if they are "openbox" or "no returnes" then i stay away from them parts. theirs a reason they says that. neways i have never done a rebate though TD cause i would rather have the warrate...and sounds like most of you guys are getting alot of nasty people over the phone. i have only had to talk to then twice onec was over a msi m/b that died after 41 dasy 11 days after their returns. and am still waiting on my dad to get back to me on that cause i still don't think he phoned msi yet. and another time over a cpu i bought that i didn't want anymore and they canceled it just fine. but i find that not all people over the phone are nice and going to greet you so kind. and even more will try to get out of the work, remember they will try to get out of helping you so they can take another breck. alwasy be nice and record your phone calls. best way to catch some one being lazy.

other then that i have bought over 7000$ worth of parts from TD, parts like my dads home theater system to my 12 cpu coolers that i keep on hand...don't ask i like to fiddle with my computer. next if the part dosen't work try it in serveril systems before telling them to take it back. don't ask them to diag it...don't ask them to test it...and don't ask them to install it...your normaly asking thes questions to people who like i stated before don't want to work and want their breck any more faster then they can blow you off...but don't let them. be nice and demand an exchange for your cash..always have your respit and be nice. if they don't give you your money back tell them your wil be charging them with false adverting and if they don't give it to you this time tell them to have a nice day and leave. then call any manager and boss and tell them what happend and trust me follow this and you will get your money back :)

note if you bought a openbox or you cashed in your rebate and your parts no work...don't talk to me about it cause theirs nothing you can do. companies need the upc code to put it in their system and if you don't have it well they can't take it back. and if it's open box they sell them...and they don't take them back...it why they sell open box products...so they don't get them back!
# Posted By joseph | 8/19/07 2:40 AM
I purchased a 320GB HD from TD. Right out of the box it failed. The drive is an Hitachi Chinese manufactured POS !

Not only are they poisoning our pets and putting ethylene-glycol, (antifreeze), in our tooth paste but they're selling us electronic junk !

Stay away from TD until it gets it's act together. It's prices are low because it's products are made in China. You really do get what you paid for !
# Posted By Shiftea1 | 10/1/07 7:16 PM
Tiger Direct Canada is still gouging Canadians! Our dollar is almost 4% above the US dollar and Tiger direct is selling the Coolermaster Cosmos computer case for $243.99 Canadian. The same case on Tiger Direct USA is selling for $199.99 US. Everything else on the US site is cheaper that the same item in Canada. When I phoned customer service in Canada to ask why the price difference, I was told by their rep that it was because of customs duty. This is an outright lie since there is no duty on the importation of computer parts from the United States. This US company should reconsider their treatment of their Canadian customers...it is patently unfair!!
# Posted By George K | 10/29/07 10:29 AM
Now the Canadian dollar is over 5% stronger, and still most items on the Tiger Canada site are 20% and MORE over the American prices. - In addition, you can't even buy from the american site if you are Canadian, any other country is fine... only Canadians are being shown prejudice. I realize this is because they have to make their .ca company happy, but seriously, if the .ca company is getting greedy -they should be able to be bypassed.

Anyone have any ideas how to communicate this to this company? - They just send you a crazy form letter saying it is more expensive to get this stuff in Canada, which is of course untrue.
# Posted By Phish | 10/31/07 1:25 PM
Just as a follow-up....
It won't do any good to contact the company since you cannot speak to anyone above the customer rep level. Apparently, the only way to get them to " honest-up" is to avoid their site and their stores and spread the word on the internet that they are ripping Canadians off.
# Posted By George K | 10/31/07 4:50 PM
My experience with T.D.
this email was sent out today:

Hello Marela,

My name is Jim xxxxxx and I purchased a Toshiba laptop computer from your Markham store on Sept 12, 07. Shortly afer this purchase I found out that first of all, it was a U.S. machine, not a Canadian model and secondly that the battery was on Toshiba's recall list. Frequent calls to your store and to Toshiba Canada have produced no results. Toshiba Canada will not give me a replacement battery because I have an American machine and your store has not resolved this problem. In fact after many phone calls and even a visit to your store on Nov 4th, has produced nothing in replacing this battery.
I don't care if you have to beg, borrow or steal a battery for this laptop. I have been cheated out of my purchase and I am stuck with a laptop which cannot be used as a portable machine for fear of a fire.

The manager I spoke with during my visit to your store on the 4th was a fellow named Nigel who had promised to have you call me back.
Another person called Devon did call me back the next day only to tell me that he had to make some phone calls on this battery issue and would get back to me the next day. That was on Monday Nov 5th and I have not recieved a call from him nor anyone else at your store.
This issue has been going on for almost 2 months since September the 12th and it has cost me numerous phone calls, travel cost and lots of wasted time.

This recalled battery is still in my laptop and I will use your name in the lawsuit if it does catch fire or explode!!

my purchase information:

Jim xxxxx
xxxxxx
xxxxxx
xxxxxx



ORDER NUMBER Q0682113
T-24 G35AV600/TOSHIBA QOSMIO DUO 1.83/1/1

Please take the time to either call me or respond to this email.

Jim xxxxxxx

A half hour later....
Marela, the store manager has just called me and asked If I could return the laptop to the store for a refund or exchange, I said I wasn't taking another 5 hour drive to Markham again on this issue. She is arranging for a battery to be shipped to me. She said she will call back today to confirm it.
I am waiting with baited breath.



I'll keep you posted on the results, right up to receipt of my replacement battery...if it ever shows up.


NEVER GIVE UP!
# Posted By Jim Cosgrove | 11/8/07 2:35 PM
Be careful about buying anything from Tiger Direct stores. I'm sure many of you heard about the detainment of one customer from their Naperville store for refusing to show their receipt on the way out.

Tiger Direct stores require you to submit your name and/or phone number when making a purchase, even with cash. This is not a simple “What’s your zip code?” and your are done but your complete name and/or phone number. If you decline, they claim their policy is to not accept returns on the item(s) purchased. They were at odds when I refused to give them either piece of information for a cash purchase and couldn’t figure out how to override the POS system. This crazy policy plus the militant receipt checking at the door will make me go to Best Buy, Circuit City or Fry’s for the majority of my future purchases.
# Posted By Anonymous | 11/20/07 10:23 PM
I am very glad I stumbled on this page. I manage an IT department and we recently set up a corporate account with TD. I've made several offers to my rep to bid on my business for several different items but they did not win as their price was often 10-30% higher than other places.

The market is too competitive for a place like TD to be treating their customers like this. if they can't be #1 on the pricing scale, then they have to make up for it in customer service, which they clearly aren't. if they're going to expect to charge several points over what everyone else is, they have to make the experience enjoyable. their sales staff prompt and knowledgable. they need to build relationships with their customers since most of them would be repeat customers - based on the comments here; a lot of people are tecno buffs or are responsible for purchasing for their company.
smarten up you guys. i wont bother closing my account with them, but i wont be inviting my rep to bid on any other purchases anymore.

and my $0.02 RE the rebates; yes, i often fall into the rebate trap and lose the form i have to mail away. and that big $50 rebate on the $300 purchase is after tax. you're not paying $250 for the product. its more like $260/$265....
# Posted By Jeff | 11/23/07 10:41 PM
After another email was sent to the store manager I got results. My battery finally showed up but they didn't send return postage for the recalled one so it's still here.
It is a shame to have to conduct business in this manner. All I can put it down to is incompetance.

I'll go anywhere else in the future.
# Posted By Jim | 12/15/07 10:58 AM
Wow, I found this article on TigerDirect to be very interesting. I was comparing computer parts and came across this review.
# Posted By Spencer | 12/21/07 6:03 PM
In all my experience - just go with Wal-Mart! :D haha - I mean - you can return a $1200 laptop without receipt... heck, they'd probably take it back without the box and accompanying documentation in all reality. Plus - they take care of those shady "rebate offers" for you. The only downfall I see is you're pretty much on your own when it comes to tech support... in my eyes, well worth it... at least on electronic equipment... can't say I feel the same for much else...
# Posted By Nate | 1/7/08 2:58 PM
well ive spent over 2,400.00 on my build, through tiger direct online store ca. shipping and service has been good but i have a problem with my xfx 680i lt motherboard which they gave me an rma number to return it but speaking with xfx i thought i fixed the problem but computer is not posting due to dimm slots on motherboard being faulty, also purchased BFG 8800GTX 0C2 tech card and recieved no t shirt as advertized tiger direct emailed me gave me support for BFG to aquire shirt but stated if that fails they would exchange the whole package, also purchased 4 gigs of nividia sli ram pc 6400@800mgz in which one stick is faulty probably due to the motherboard problem, I emailed them and asked them if i could exchange these 3 items as they are just only over 1 month old instead of dealing with all these companies individually and having no computer for god knows how long, Ill keep you all posted how this turns out. Its a shame for all to spend hard earned money on all this tech stuff and when something goes wrong or faulty your left to deal with each and every companies support crap and your without your computer for ages sending these rma items all over the US. specially when you shell out close to almost 3 grand, Ill be honest you get a deep pain in your guts, but I will see how tiger handles this, if they take an exchange I will hold them in high regard for helping me out but if i get excuses and deal with XFX,BFG,OCZ I will never shop there again, I have all genuine packaging boxes and all parts they came with. I will post my outcome.
# Posted By Mark Mossenta | 1/9/08 9:33 PM
I'm located in London, and drop into the Tiger Direct in Mississauga once in a while.

Almost every time, I'm frustrated by the customer service aspect of my visit.

For example, last time, I priced out an LG SuperMulti burner I could've sourced here for maybe $2-$5 more, but I was in the neighborhood and dropped in. They don't carry LG products at the Brittania Road store. I asked for the website price on a comparable drive, but they wouldn't touch it. Closest was a Samsung for about $7 more, but it didn't have the features of the LG. The Sony for $15 more did. I ended up walking out empty handed. I'll get my LG burner in London.

Recently, my brother was in Markham for the week. I have a Transcend 4gb SDHC card and love it, and saw they were $30.99 on the website. So he headed in to Tiger to pick up the card for me, but paid $36.99 instead.

I contacted Tiger Direct via the website. Apparently the website and each store is it's own operating entity as the website's help was very hands off, advising me to "contact the store directly". This sucks as there's no 1-800 number to the store directly, so I'm out the long distance fee, waiting on hold to talk with someone for large periods of time.

When I finally do get a manager named Qazi, he says "I'll credit your account so when you're in next..."

Great, except two things: Firstly, I doubt you'll credit the account, you barely got enough information from me to know who to credit what to.

Secondly, I live in London. Markham isn't around the corner from me, and I don't have any plans to head up that way any time soon.

When I explained that I didn't really want a credit on the account, he said that they didn't do refunds over the phone as he didn't know who I was, and then he lead into a huge verbal runaround.

Finally I asked for a 1-800 number to call, I wanted to go above his head. He gives me 1-800-800-8300, which is the number on the website.

When I called the number, Nicole picks up and says I needed to contact the store. When I explained that I had, but wasn't satisfied with the proposed solution, she (rudely) explained that the store is not obligated for any price protection rebates - it's up to the discretion of the manager as to how to deal with it. She mentioned that the policy for this is apparently on the website, which I couldn't find.

So, I call back to the store, hoping to reach a DIFFERENT manager, and I get put on hold for long periods of time again...

In the long run, I probably won't see the $6, but I'm going to keep trying.

I had asked via the website support if there was an email address I could use to communicate with the manager of the store in Markham (so I could reference the original comments and have traceability) - however they said there wasn't any email available.

If someone has the email address for a manager in Markham, please pass it along.

Thanks!
# Posted By Rob | 1/30/08 2:57 PM
Hey guys, thank you for your excellent feedback on TD since I was going to buy memory from them. But now I won't.

One comment: don't blame TD because they sell China made products. That's not fair at all. I am Chinese, I agree China made some bad products, but not all of them. Like US and Canada also have bad products as well. The key is not China make some bad products, it's TD imports bad products and sell them to customers and treat them badly!
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